Again I must confess my accuracy in determining TIMs of people is far from 100%, but I see no other variants this time, and that is why I write this post.
ESI, ISFj, Dreiser
ILI, INTp, Balzac
Point 1
Concerning Dreisers, don't be deceived by the fact they're an ethical type, they are not that understanding and friendly. Their white ethics as the basic function means that they have a strong understanding of ethics, moral and relations between people, and this understanding they believe to be right and protect no matter what. It doesn't necessarily mean they would always behave 'morally' - as you may see it. Shouting when they get angry, even, and especially, when it concerns their nearest and dearest, is a common thing, explained easily by their second function, I believe, which is black sensorics.
Balzacs manage to seem nice but rarely they become angry too. And when they do, their method is 'oral violence'. They don't raise their voice but speak harsh and believe me this not more pleasant than ESI's shouting.
Point 2
When the object of ESI's anger is not a close person, they don't shout but become most irritated and never hesitate to show it with their voice and manner of speaking. If a shop attendant is being rude, they come to the same level and become rude themselves - not using abusive words but just being rude. If a shop attendant is overly insisting, they answer politely but the whole stature of them implies they are not happy with the attendant's behaviour. This happens both when the attendant is a bored woman who only attempts to make you buy just anything, and when the attendant is a specialist well-trained to ATTEND in a polite manner and be able to help with any explanation or guidance possibly needed, according to the latest fashion. The latter case can even make you feel ashamed of ESIs, I imagine.
ILIs can always ask questions to 'support' the conversation. Those questions, however, are not entirely understandable to the others, meseems, as ILIs are stubborn and know how everything is supposed to be.
Point 3
If one wants to escape being shouted at by Dreiser, I see crying as the best means. I don't know if this is only my observation, but I guess seeing such a result they might regret a bit... But never wait for them saying they are sorry. I see third quadre is fond of deeds more than words and what you can get at most is a 'making up present'. More frequently conflicts ended in natural 'forgetting' and behaving as if nothing had happened with no words of apology said. If I remember correctly, ESIs are the stubborn type and their stubborness can give odds even to that of my type. While I am not likely to admit I was entirely wrong in my original opinion, I admit at least I was guilty - for bad choice of words, for my misunderstanding, my being absent-minded and failing to notice or remember something. ESI will admit neither of these. Struggling against them is always like this. You either agree or get punished for disagreeing. The latter, however, may or may not lead to them changing their opinion depending on the circumstances.
ILIs can drive you to tears without shouting, but even then they are not likely to to understand they offended you. If I am lucky and ESIs sense of ethics is on my side, ILI can be pointed out he was harsh - and I would be rescued. If nobody points that out, you get no apology or whatever.
If not tears, then the best way to be on good terms with them is to be somewhere far. You can't imagine more caring ESI or ILI than when you are away from them and have to do without meeting personally during some time.
Point 4
They both believe one can do anything if he tries. This postulate means two things. The first is that 'tis impossible to explain to them that you better not try making clothes lest the sewing machine is broken. The second thing is that 'tis possible that you may end up doing all by yourself if you need, because they tried themselves and they succeeded, and so should you. Here, however, I can point out one difference. ESIs can agree to guide you and help you with something you want to learn, but will constantly tell you what you're doing wrong, even if the issue is only of secondary importance to you. For example, your objective is to make a tasty dish, but they would tell you that you are slow, even though speed doesn't affect the result of cooking.
ILIs are never happy to guide you at all. While there are people who would be glad to teach you because it would let them show how great they are, ILIs are bereaved of self-admiration and narcissism. They think you know everything yourself, and if you don't - there is Google for you. Our teacher of culturology told us that 'tis a historically proved fact that conveying knowledge directly, personally, from the teacher to the apprentice, is the best way of teaching. ILIs don't seem to agree.
Point 5
While they don't write odes to themselves, they certainly possess self- respect. ESIs will only bestow you with an answer if they are disposed to do so. If they are busy with something or absorbed with their thoughts, you will have to wait, and probably for a long time, and probably then you will have to remind. Depending on the particular case you may have to remind of the contents of your question, or of the fact that you did ask a question, or in the worst case - of your presence there where you are. The thoughts of ESIs always have the greatest priority to them, so be prepared to feel as if you were speaking to a wall. Due to the same priority, even if you were given the floor to speak, you can be also interrupted as frequently as they wish.
ILIs don't ignore you when you speak face to face and answer to you immediately. What regulates their prioritization is distance. An sms conversation or talking in a web-chat may end abruptly and you better not expect to hear any explanation from them about why they left without saying goodbye. Simply going offline or stopping to answer your sms they leave and may be absent for a long time, bit suddenly write to you again as if nothing were wrong last time. Telling them 'tis strange and impolite to disappear suddenly never made any effect.
Point 6
Not only answering, but also explaining things seems to be a great bother to them. Asking Dreiser or Balsac to explain me something led to only one thing - me ensuring that I better do absolutely everything myself. While Dreiser is simply bad at explaining, having, obviously no natural aptitude for that, Balsac is as if testing your patience. When asked a question, he somehow manages either toescape answer it so that it seems he was answering a completely different one, or bluntly tells you - not even attempting to show any concern or care - DIY. Yes, simply like this. Both ILI and ESI may wish you the best, but both fail to help you in any way, and both can drive me to tears, to be honest.
ESI, ISFj, Dreiser
ILI, INTp, Balzac
Point 1
Concerning Dreisers, don't be deceived by the fact they're an ethical type, they are not that understanding and friendly. Their white ethics as the basic function means that they have a strong understanding of ethics, moral and relations between people, and this understanding they believe to be right and protect no matter what. It doesn't necessarily mean they would always behave 'morally' - as you may see it. Shouting when they get angry, even, and especially, when it concerns their nearest and dearest, is a common thing, explained easily by their second function, I believe, which is black sensorics.
Balzacs manage to seem nice but rarely they become angry too. And when they do, their method is 'oral violence'. They don't raise their voice but speak harsh and believe me this not more pleasant than ESI's shouting.
Point 2
When the object of ESI's anger is not a close person, they don't shout but become most irritated and never hesitate to show it with their voice and manner of speaking. If a shop attendant is being rude, they come to the same level and become rude themselves - not using abusive words but just being rude. If a shop attendant is overly insisting, they answer politely but the whole stature of them implies they are not happy with the attendant's behaviour. This happens both when the attendant is a bored woman who only attempts to make you buy just anything, and when the attendant is a specialist well-trained to ATTEND in a polite manner and be able to help with any explanation or guidance possibly needed, according to the latest fashion. The latter case can even make you feel ashamed of ESIs, I imagine.
ILIs can always ask questions to 'support' the conversation. Those questions, however, are not entirely understandable to the others, meseems, as ILIs are stubborn and know how everything is supposed to be.
Point 3
If one wants to escape being shouted at by Dreiser, I see crying as the best means. I don't know if this is only my observation, but I guess seeing such a result they might regret a bit... But never wait for them saying they are sorry. I see third quadre is fond of deeds more than words and what you can get at most is a 'making up present'. More frequently conflicts ended in natural 'forgetting' and behaving as if nothing had happened with no words of apology said. If I remember correctly, ESIs are the stubborn type and their stubborness can give odds even to that of my type. While I am not likely to admit I was entirely wrong in my original opinion, I admit at least I was guilty - for bad choice of words, for my misunderstanding, my being absent-minded and failing to notice or remember something. ESI will admit neither of these. Struggling against them is always like this. You either agree or get punished for disagreeing. The latter, however, may or may not lead to them changing their opinion depending on the circumstances.
ILIs can drive you to tears without shouting, but even then they are not likely to to understand they offended you. If I am lucky and ESIs sense of ethics is on my side, ILI can be pointed out he was harsh - and I would be rescued. If nobody points that out, you get no apology or whatever.
If not tears, then the best way to be on good terms with them is to be somewhere far. You can't imagine more caring ESI or ILI than when you are away from them and have to do without meeting personally during some time.
Point 4
They both believe one can do anything if he tries. This postulate means two things. The first is that 'tis impossible to explain to them that you better not try making clothes lest the sewing machine is broken. The second thing is that 'tis possible that you may end up doing all by yourself if you need, because they tried themselves and they succeeded, and so should you. Here, however, I can point out one difference. ESIs can agree to guide you and help you with something you want to learn, but will constantly tell you what you're doing wrong, even if the issue is only of secondary importance to you. For example, your objective is to make a tasty dish, but they would tell you that you are slow, even though speed doesn't affect the result of cooking.
ILIs are never happy to guide you at all. While there are people who would be glad to teach you because it would let them show how great they are, ILIs are bereaved of self-admiration and narcissism. They think you know everything yourself, and if you don't - there is Google for you. Our teacher of culturology told us that 'tis a historically proved fact that conveying knowledge directly, personally, from the teacher to the apprentice, is the best way of teaching. ILIs don't seem to agree.
Point 5
While they don't write odes to themselves, they certainly possess self- respect. ESIs will only bestow you with an answer if they are disposed to do so. If they are busy with something or absorbed with their thoughts, you will have to wait, and probably for a long time, and probably then you will have to remind. Depending on the particular case you may have to remind of the contents of your question, or of the fact that you did ask a question, or in the worst case - of your presence there where you are. The thoughts of ESIs always have the greatest priority to them, so be prepared to feel as if you were speaking to a wall. Due to the same priority, even if you were given the floor to speak, you can be also interrupted as frequently as they wish.
ILIs don't ignore you when you speak face to face and answer to you immediately. What regulates their prioritization is distance. An sms conversation or talking in a web-chat may end abruptly and you better not expect to hear any explanation from them about why they left without saying goodbye. Simply going offline or stopping to answer your sms they leave and may be absent for a long time, bit suddenly write to you again as if nothing were wrong last time. Telling them 'tis strange and impolite to disappear suddenly never made any effect.
Point 6
Not only answering, but also explaining things seems to be a great bother to them. Asking Dreiser or Balsac to explain me something led to only one thing - me ensuring that I better do absolutely everything myself. While Dreiser is simply bad at explaining, having, obviously no natural aptitude for that, Balsac is as if testing your patience. When asked a question, he somehow manages either to
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